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  1. apocalyps

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      15-01-2009 21:52
    HELLO EVERYBODY:kiss:
    MY QUESTION IS FOR AYOUDA IF U DO NOT MIND SINCE U'R TEACHING BEGINNERS. COULD U TELL ME WHAT SORT OF PROBLEMS U ALWAYS ENCOUNTER WHILE DEALING WITH 7TH AND 8TH FORM PUPILS . ANY ADDITION BY OTHER :satelite:MEMBERS IS ALSO VERY WELCOME
     
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      15-01-2009 22:53
    Hey Apocalyps, hope you're doing well.


    Well, the first problem and the most important one for me is the materials. I don't speak about the school equipements but the Students' materials. I can confirm that only around 20 % of the students have new books, 50% have already used books (the exercices are already done) and the rest doesn't have at all. I've taken with them some measurements as to get them out of the class but all is in vain. Each lesson, 5 to 8 students come without books to the class which affects of course their learning and acquisition of the language.

    Another problem which is of a major importance as well is the fact that students at this early age and level (7th and 8 th form Basic Education students) can't understand you fully unless you resort to translating English to their mother tongue which is the Arabic language. Yes, it's not recommended at all but there is no other solution


    Hope I helped you a little bit
    Have a good night

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      15-01-2009 23:11
    salem
    talking about education!!!!!!
    i will interrupt a little :D

    i will pass my oral exam(english subject) this saturday(i'm a 4 th computer science student ),i hope that all will be ok
    it's a little hard to concentrate in front of some jury without troubling

    sorry to interrupt your discussion,i want just said someting because i though about that all the time and i will still like that until exama date of course

    have a good night
     
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      15-01-2009 23:28
    the main issue im facing with my young students is the 2nd you mentioned Aida; the need to translate every single idea to the arabic and it seems this is the way the teacher im replacing her used to teach them because they are very attached to this method
    another problem which concerns my situation is that idea in the sudents' minds of comparing me with their previous teacher who seemed to be,unfortunatly,very lazy
     
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      16-01-2009 01:08
    Teaching English as a second language isn't an easy task at all as the majority of people think. It's really a hard task and a challenging one especially with beginners. Though there are hundreds of methods and techniques whereby we can transmit the message as to use body language (gestures), posters, flashcards ect..... yet, it happens to me to face up some situations where I am obliged to use the mother language

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      16-01-2009 06:39
    Hey, everyone. I can't talk from a present perspective on the issue but as a former teacher in the trenches - Beja and Ariana- I can relate to the issue of having to translate to Tunisian Arabic as a last resort strategy to convey the meanings of words or explain the sentence structure. I taught also in the U.S. precisely in Virginia to students at roughly the same level from a latino background and I did not have to use the translation "weapon" because the availability of audio-visual materials used to save the day and practically every day. I empirically experienced the power of those materials when dealing with low-level students. Those materials were around me everywhere: at the school's teachers resource center, at the public library in my neighborhood, and even at specialized book stores troughout the city. I know that getting such materials in Tunisia is not that simple a task for a teacher: I've been there before. I sometimes tried to come up with my own edited movie clips or songs that I used as a pre-speaking or listening material, but I did not find any help from the school in order to use them, and at the end I washed my hands from the whole deal. I definitely have to give you all a pat on the shoulder and a "Bravo" for what you're doing out there. Good luck to everyone
     
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      16-01-2009 09:09
    Unfortnately, in Tunisian schools,the teacher can get only a Cd-player from the ministry as a material. And they (Inspectors and those who adopted the new approach to teaching the language as a second one) ask you to teach communicatively, to teach the language and the culture of the language, to focus on communication more than grammar and structure plus many other things. What they want us to do is something I find utopian, something ideal, They know this, yet they still believe in such an approach

    Teaching English as they want (especially for early ages) needs English laboratories which have to be equipped with voice recorders for each student, with wallcharts, will plenty of teaching materials as songs and games, with realia ect......

    [​IMG] .

     
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      17-01-2009 21:25
    HI EVERYBODY

    Thank u AYOUDA for answering my question but don’t u think that the social background and the over-crowdedness of our Tunisian classes greatly affect the learning process. You shed light on a very important problem which is ,I would call ,“pencilled books”. Whenever I ask my pupils to erase them they pretend to have already done yet the eraser “unintentionally” leaves some traces which to me are very sufficient to spoil a whole lesson. U know pupils always forget that we were once pupils & that all this stuff didn’t escape us. Back to the social background; how can u teach a pupil whose only interest is football not to forget our pop music of course?? How can u teach someone who doesn’t really know how to write his name in Arabic I’m not exaggerating believe me. The resort to translation or mother tongue is inevitable and it’s not a matter of laziness especially when it comes to instructions and abstract notions (of course at a beginner level at least) otherwise pupils will be reluctant to show any interest in the subject if there is any already.
    I years ago thanked god for moving back to my home town sousse but later on I found out that the level of pupils was low and I realised that the years I spent somewhere else in the south were the days of my life; the bad things in them were so few (as queen once sang). So to comment on ur topic about regionalism I think it’s a futile discussion since we’re all of one country… thanks again for ur intervention I’m waiting for more. I’m conducting a study about that particular matter and I need the views of all the members in the forum if u encounter any problems of teaching English to Tunisian pupils please don’t hesitate to post them tell me ur experience waiting to hear from u
     
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      17-01-2009 21:49
    hey everyone
    i'm very excited to see that in our forum we have so many english teachers; but as a student; i noticed a method my teacher uses and seems to be effective which is forbidding completely the use of other languages whether arabic or french; and when the students encounter a problem he makes one of his brilliant students translating it to the others in english
    it is working in the secondary, i dont know about the7th or 8th grade but in every classroom; the existence of a groupe of clueless students
    sitting in the back is inevitable as i think; lol
     
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      19-01-2009 00:45
    Hey again,

    Well, as far as the students' social background is concerned, it certainly affects the learning process. From my experience, I teach in a very small village in the countryside where most of, if not all the inhabitants, are poor. The parents are farmers and daily workers and most of them raise their children to help them in the agricultural activities. From time to time, we, teachers, hear of some students who drop out of school; We ask their friends for the reasons, they tell us that their parents have decided that. Last week, one of my colleagues told me about a brilliant student in one of her classes. This student will drop out of school just because her parents can't afford the money for her bus pass which in fact costs only 13 TD. These are some examples of how social background affects the student's learning process .

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    ……. and the over-crowdedness of our Tunisian classes greatly affect the learning process.
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    I don't agree with you in this very particular point simply because nowadays' classes aren't over-crowded like they used to be in the past. I teach 4 classes; 2 classes with 22 students and the other 2 with 24 students. I still remember my years in the secondary school where the classes were jam packed
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    ……..You shed light on a very important problem which is ,I would call ,“pencilled books”. Whenever I ask my pupils to erase them they pretend to have already done yet the eraser “unintentionally” leaves some traces which to me are very sufficient to spoil a whole lesson. [/quote
    ]​
    This is problem number one for me and believe me, I sometimes go mad with these students. From the beginning of the first term, I asked them to erase the pencil traces from page 1 till the end. However, in each lesson, I keep repeating the same story. In addition to this and as I told you before, most of the students are poor; some of them didn't even buy the books which I really can't do anything for them and with them. Getting them out of the class each session isn't a proper solution at all. Consequently, I've decided not to bother myself too much with whether they bring books or not.

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    Back to the social background; how can u teach a pupil whose only interest is football not to forget our pop music of course [/quote
    ]​
    A reality that we must understand and grasp it well, today, Education is no more on the top priority list of the student. It has become in a secondary position if not the third or the last. Education today for this new generation comes after football, starac, internet, movies, video clips …….

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    ?? How can u teach someone who doesn’t really know how to write his name in Arabic I’m not exaggerating believe me. [/quote
    ]​
    It's true. I swear I'm saying the truth; about 50% of the 7 th year basic education students don't even know how to write their names in Arabic and approximately the same for the 8 th form Students. I keep wondering all the time how they did pass the 6th grade exam and how they did succeed all the previous years
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    I’m conducting a study about that particular matter and I need the views of all the members in the forum if u encounter any problems of teaching English to Tunisian pupils please don’t hesitate to post them tell me ur experience waiting to hear from u
    [/quote]

    From my part, you can count on me, I'll help with the little I know.

    May God be with you in your research


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