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Man and Destiny

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  1. Abuyassine

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      04-02-2009 15:38
    Hi Everybody !


    Destiny. A word that is worth pondering over. It is defined in dictionaries the globe over as the predetermined course of events in everyone's life. This does make sense as long as our religion emphasizes the fact that every person on Earth shall be a recipient of what God has determined for him. I am by no means philosophising the issue but I'm thinking deeply about the issue. What I like to say is that Man is shaped by the Divine in lots of matters. Yet, to be shrewd, one would never ignore the effect of Human Will. Accordingly, Man is experiencing a two-edge destiny - divine & human.
    On this very occasion, let me lead you to ponder over what is happening to Man hither & thither in the world. You see miseries & hardships & suffering & misfortunes. Is all this an outcome of the divine or human ? Please do not rush to everyday conclusions & prejudices. It's a fact that has so much annoyed me & kept me boiling. Look, for example, at the poor & homeless & orphans of Gaza. Was their life predestined to be as it is today ? What the hell have they done to encounter such a bleak destiny ?? And, on the other hand, were we predestined to be watching & pitying & getting just sorry ? Is that, in your opinion, a work of the divine or human, or both ?

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  2. Forrest Gump

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      04-02-2009 17:25
    it's really a dilemma and i think it's not easy to answer your questions Bravexx ...i alway believe that even if we are recipient of what God has determined for us, we have a margin of freedom that we must assume its responsibility and that's why there is heaven and hell​


    here i strongly believe that humans are responsible for all of that, it jusy unfair if we'll say that God is the one of these miseries​
     
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      04-02-2009 18:51
    This not the type of question that can have a straight and easy answer i think

    Anyway, No doubt, God knows it all, people don't
    They always have to choose..
    between going to the "masjed" or the bar
    between killing that child point blank or protecting him


    There are always two directions at least but GOD knows it all

    Once a friend asked: why do we have to be judged while we were destined to do the things we've done
    ?

    Same answer as above I guess


    But why is earth this way
    ?


    Earth is no heaven
    and it's no hell also

    God created man and taught him to be good, to believe in him, and to worship him,
    And to make earth a good place


    Devil doesn't want that to happen and he gets help by the people that follow his orders"1"


    So humans are the harmful
    God Ain't, God is Loving and caring



    I wrote masjed and not mosque for the reason that europeans, long ago, named masjeds by this name because they used to call Muslims mosquitoes proving their hate for them

    We must remove it from English dictionnaries

     
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      04-02-2009 19:49
    I would like to thank you, dear brothers, for your valuable & logical points of view. But let me add two questions:

    * It has always been said that true men have to build up their destinies. If this is possible, how can one build up his destiny ? And why do some succeed while others fail in doing so ?

    * Do you see any clash between what the Creator has predestined & what we really need and desire ? I said this because I oftentimes encounter people who complain about their miserable destinies & never seem to be satisfied.

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  5. miss442

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      04-02-2009 19:55
    It's really so difficult to answer your question ......
    you have asked about something that makes most of us perplexed ...
    but what I can say that we musn't put the blame on someone else if we do anythying wrong..or even say it's our destiny!!!!!!
    because God inspired his prophets & sent his messages to help people destinguishing between the good & the
    evil

    :satelite:
     
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  6. miss442

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      04-02-2009 20:05
     
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      04-02-2009 20:13
    Dear miss442,

    I do really appreciate your words. They're quite convincing & encouraging. By the way, let me thank you & encourage you to keep up your effort in your participations in English. You're always welcome, dear sister

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      04-02-2009 20:34

    :love::love::love:thank u very much
     
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  9. Forrest Gump

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      04-02-2009 21:36
    i agree,true people can create their own destinies and this doesnt mean that they'll interfere in god's welling but god will make their ways easier and let's not forget :
    " لو تعلقت همة المرء بما وراء العرش لناله "

    and who know what is exactly our god's plan, eventually everything is under our god's control​
     
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      05-02-2009 00:03
    Thank you bravexx for this subject
    in my point of view:
    Life has many dimensions, and most people are unconscious of them
    In the world everything is momentary. You may have money today you may not have money tomorrow. You may be powerful today, tomorrow you may not be powerful. You may be a president today, tomorrow you may be nobody
    Everything is momentary . And one thing is certain, that death will take everything away, and death is inevitable
     
    Many people in this world look so serious, so sad

    I think that the world is not serious

    Look at the trees and the birds and the animals and the stars and the rivers. The whole existence is in a continuous celebration except for man,
    because only man can live in the heart and only man can live in the head
    The choice is open. It is not open for anybody else; only man has the freedom to choose. And we have chosen the mind because mind helps in the world to have more money, to have more power, more prestige; it helps in fulfilling your so-called desires and ambitions. But it destroys you. It destroys all that is worth having: it destroys your very soul

    There is no way to prove god as far as mind is concerned. No argument can satisfy the infinitely doubting quality of the mind; there is no way. But the heart never doubts; the heart simply knows, it knows intuitively -- no proofs are required. God is self-evident for the heart, just as light is self-evident for the person who has eyes. Only the blind person thinks about light and only the blind person think's about god. The heart has its own eyes, its own approach towards reality -- a direct, immediate connection with reality

    thank you
     
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