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is it the end of Capitalism

الموضوع في 'English & French Archive' بواسطة Forrest Gump, بتاريخ ‏28 مارس 2009.

  1. Forrest Gump

    Forrest Gump كبير مراقبي منتدى الفرنسيّة و الانقليزيّة طاقم الإدارة

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      28-03-2009 22:18
    Nationalization Gets a New, Serious Look
    WASHINGTON — Only five days into the Obama presidency, members of the new administration and Democratic leaders in Congress are already dancing around one of the most politically delicate questions about the financial bailout: Is the president prepared to nationalize a huge swath of the nation’s banking system?
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    that was an article taken from the New York times and in which they are discussing the possibility of nationalizing banks and financial institutions as a solution to the economic crisis... Washington post wrote about that too and last night in CNN a program was tackling the same subject

    honestly, i was really surprised but it was a good surprise because Capitalism, with this crisis, started to show its dark side and "strong" countries are now more affected than the others

    im not saying that discussing this matter in media is good enough but i consider it as a big step to help convincing more people about how harmful capitalism and globalization are






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      30-03-2009 12:32

    My friend, it's not easy to say it is the end of capitalism in a few months or years

    The new global crisis and the international financial crisis, will not lead to the end of capitalism and on its head the USA

    I have only a little idea to tell you about the financial crisis that today everyone is talking about

    The first winner of this crisis is USA

    There are so many years and years that the USA imports oil and raw materials from the Arab world and the Third World, and do not forget that USA is the largest consumer and importer in the world

    Consider just oil imports, USA is always importing from the Arab world, and the Arab world put money in American banks, and suddenly the major USA banks fell into bankruptcy, .... And where is money of the the third world !!!! And where is money of the Arab countries exporters of oil?????? You will find that USA consumed Arab oil at a ZERO DOLLAR for a long time !!!!!! AH

    Is it a crisis that came alone? or a programmed crisis??

    Americans are so smart

     
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      30-03-2009 12:47
    first, when i said "the end of capitalism" i meant it a s a metaphor... i know it' not easy to destruct capitalism but it's a kind of new and surprising to find the american media talking about nationalization

    i cant really get you here, today in the states more than 500,000 persons that lost their job, a very big MNE are going to bankruptcy and we are talking about General Electrics, General Motors... plus this crisis is purely financial,of course it effects oil but its effects are more harmful in stock exchanges so financially strong countries are the ones will suffer
     
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      30-03-2009 13:11

    I said also

    USA consumed Arab oil at a ZERO DOLLAR for a long time

    And that's why USA will and will help the entreprises and banks and also people !!!!! look how much money USA has injected in the financial market and USA will and will inject alot of money !!!!!! and it's the money of Arab countries

    Financially strong countries will suffer as you said and they will suffer again and again

    But in the USA everything will take it's last and strong place as before

    and I repeat : Americans are so smart
     
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      30-03-2009 14:02
    that's not 100% right first because the usa asked golf countries to invest more money in the sates to create some equilibrium in the american market, so there is a disequilibrium even with the Arabian money there

    second, take a loot at the americain total receipts :

    * $1.1 trillion - Individual income tax (43.9%)
    * $869.6 billion - Social Security and other payroll taxes (34.7%)
    * $370.2 billion - Corporate income tax (14.8%)
    * $65.1 billion - Excise taxes (2.6%)
    * $26.0 billion - Customs duties (1%)
    * $26.0 billion - Estate and gift taxes (1%)
    * $47.2 billion - Other (1.9%)

    i agree that the usa is manipulating the arabian countries but we should not exaggerate

    who knows?? there are other countries that appear to be the next empire; China, EU, Australia
     
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      31-03-2009 09:49

    We know that there are other emerging economies such as China, Australia and the European community
    But this is not tomorrow that they will dominate USA, it takes decades

    Also, why the European Union gives out to USA in this financial crisis?? It is not for the pretty eyes of Americans

    Is there a currency in the world that can replace the USA Dollar? Not at all, because today only USA can provide the world's currency in amounts of dollars that these countries require. And it is not easy because there is a whole game inside there. We can inject the amount of currency as we want but there are factors that arbitrate this phenomenon such as the quantity of gold which must correspond to the volume of money in circulation to keep the value of the currency

    Imagine the financial crisis of the USA, if a strong European country like Germany or France for example has seen this crisis? And with the same scale as happened in the USA?? All Europe will be fused

    Well, I too spoke about the USA because it is the highest level of capitalism

    USA is over all the powers of the world and especially scientific and economic power

    I give you a little example here:

    SWIFT: Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication: which is the transfer of money between countries, it supplies secure messaging services and interface software to wholesale financial entities. It is owned by Americans

    And what about the Internet?? and much more

     
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